Points Structure

This area is subject to change before the series starts and possibly replaced with an excel or similar table when ready.

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2.13.2.1: SCCA Pro will award Championship points and maintain the point standings to determine a Drivers’ Champion in each vehicle class. Points will be awarded drivers based on their final positions at each event as follows:

1 - 140 points 28
2 - 110 points 24
3 - 95 points 21
4 - 85 points 19
5 - 80 points 17
6 - 76 points 15
7 - 72 points 14
8 - 68 points 13
9 - 64 points 12
10 - 60 points 11
11 - 57 points 10
12 - 54 points 9
13 - 51 points 8
14 - 48 points 7
15 - 45 points 6
16 - 43 points 5

2.13.2.2: Points will be awarded to qualifiers in each class as follows:

1 - 15 points 3
2 - 12 points 2
3 - 9 points 1
4 - 6 points 0
5 - 3 points 0

2.13.2.3: Five (5)(1) points will be awarded to any driver who leads a lap in each class, and Five (5)(1) points to the driver that leads the most laps in each class during the race. In case of a tie, the driver with the highest finishing position will be awarded the points. Additional bonus championship point schedules may be added, or amended, during the season.

2.13.2.4: Ties in the final point standings in any of the Championships will be decided based upon the number of first place finishes in class; then, if necessary, the number of second place finishes, etc.

2.13.2.5: A driver must be classified as a starter to score Championship points.

This is a little complicated I think for our version of the series. They actually list up to 40 positions with point payouts, so I shortened it to just the 16. I want to award for lead laps and leading a lap but Forza’s dumb ass replay system limits me on this.
The numbers listed in red above are what I feel should be the points payouts.
As with the Rolex series, I may allow a driver substitute for a regular driver if desired.

I think I want to stick with this point structure.

It allows for more than one way to earn some race points and it seemed to do ok in the FMROC series. As long as there are not objections to this set-up, I would say its set.

I've personally never liked points gaps like that. I mean, basically if I place say 9th place in the first race, the rest of the season I'd have to be winning just to catch up. But I'm more in it for the fun, which is good because I always get hosed on points structures. Not that I'd ever win a series, I'd just once like to think that even after a race or two I could catch up.

I've always thought of it as more difficult to place in the top 5, then the top 3 and then even more difficult to win, so the point payouts should reflect the harder work.

But I hear what your saying too Rem, I will take this into consideration, the points system might change a bit.

Why not just use the values the real series uses?

The point gap may be too large? Personally I totally get what Stalker is trying to do, and I would not want to deal with triple digit formulations to assess points.

Its a better incentive to do well because a couple of poor finishes and you may be completely out of it. I guess if an adjustment would be made i would do exactly what stalker did, stretch points for top 3-5, and then tighten the gap between the rest of the field...so it wouldn't be a total runaway.

I'm just viewing things from the back of the field, which is usually my real estate during the race. Points structure shouldn't have to change because I suck

I've always wondered why they don't go on a simple scale. 16 points for winning, 15 for 2nd, etc. 1 point for qualifying pole, 1 point for leading a lap. Or something. But, I never sat down to do the math on how it might turn out.

Either way, I'm more about the fun rather than winning, because if I were in it for the payout or the points wins, I wouldn't bother. It's not like I'd ever be up there. This is the best chance for doing well in a multi-car series for me. Running a spec series where it's just 1 car and little to no tuning is more my speed, but I hate oval racing with a thumbstick.

Here's a look at the point structure with a 5% deduction from the official PWC layout:

1 - 28
2 - 22
3 - 19
4 - 17
5 - 16
6 - 15
7 - 14
8 - 13
9 - 12
10- 11
11- 10
12 -9
13- 8
14- 7
15- 6
16- 5

My suggestion is to change the top five a bit:
1 - 30, 2 - 25, 3 - 21, 4 - 19, 5 - 17
This would still reward the winner and separate the top 3 and top 5 for their efforts, also help the mid pack and keep the layout close to the official structure.

For what it's worth, just my two cents

Remaggib wrote:… I've always wondered why they don't go on a simple scale. 16 points for winning, 15 for 2nd, etc. 1 point for qualifying pole, 1 point for leading a lap. Or something. But, I never sat down to do the math on how it might turn out. …

Points structures are staggered due to properties of addition.

Example:

1st place	= 6 points
2nd place	= 5 points
3rd place	= 4 points
4th place	= 3 points
5th place	= 2 points
6th place	= 1 point
7th place	= 0 points

3 + 3 = 6, as do 4 + 2, 5 + 1, and 6 + 0. Four out of seven competitors are tied after four races, each racer taking a different route. Further, there is no benefit for finishing first in a race (even if they did finish last the following race) over finishing fourth, twice.

1st place	= 10 points
2nd place	= 7 points
3rd place	= 5 points
4th place	= 3 points
5th place	= 2 points
6th place	= 1 point
7th place	= 0 points

Now to make 6 we have: 3 + 3 and 5 + 1 because we removed the values of 4 and 6.

In this example, the racer who finished 3rd once and 5th once has a 1 point lead over the racer with two 4th place finishes. There are more examples showing the same, as 2nd and 5th place finishes beat 3rd and 4th place finishes.

Ties still occur over the course of a season with a staggered point structure though the chances of it happening are reduced relative to a consecutive point structure.

maxximilllion wrote:Here's a look at the point structure with a 5% deduction from the official PWC layout:

1 - 28
2 - 22
3 - 19
4 - 17
5 - 16
6 - 15
7 - 14
8 - 13
9 - 12
10- 11
11- 10
12 -9
13- 8
14- 7
15- 6
16- 5

My suggestion is to change the top five a bit:
1 - 30, 2 - 25, 3 - 21, 4 - 19, 5 - 17
This would still reward the winner and separate the top 3 and top 5 for their efforts, also help the mid pack and keep the layout close to the official structure.

For what it's worth, just my two cents

That's a good suggestion Max though I would keep the points as they lie after the 80% reduction, as the same spread remains while giving us manageable numbers.

Awesome guys. Max I like your spread better. It does help lower finishers while still rewarding top finishers for the extra effort.

There are only minor adjustments to the top positions that I would make to your point values Max.

Avanti, can you explain the 80% reduction, remember I graduated school so I don't think anymore.

That's all fine and good, but one example used was someone finishing first then last. I really doubt that would happen often. I can think of just 1 example of that, and that was when Tux rolled his car over and couldn't finish. Other than that, chances are it ain't happening. Again, it doesn't matter to me because for the most part, the spread is going to screw me like a discount hooker

There are discount hookers??

The top handful of positions in Max's list works out to an 80% reduction of the real PWC points.

Alternatively:
To start the points with 30 you could use: 30, 26, 23, 20, 18, 16, 14, then down by 1
To start the points with 25 you could use: 25, 21, 18, 15, 13, 11, 09, then down by 1.

Rem., I wouldn't worry much about consistently placing in one 'ballpark' as Stalker wants to use a system to move people around depending upon their previous finishing location.

Like a bucket? Or some such similar deal? That would be nice, because the ONLY race I ever ran up front (for 8 laps) was when I was in the more power bucket and everyone fast was in the penalty bucket. It reminded me kind of South Park that race. Hey look I'm in front! AAaaaaand I dropped.

Rem, check the rules and regs section, I explain it in detail there.

The FMROC scoring structure seemed to work pretty well... Feel free to borrow it.

Would you like the spreadsheet? It makes keeping track of things much, much easier and does all the points tallying for you. All you have to do plug in finishing positions...

I do need something like that.

Updated to reflect new points values.