Your "badass" garage

Forza Motorsport has a rating system using the letters A through F, S, some alphanumeric R classes, and X. What can we spell using those letters (skipping the alphanumeric ones)? Badass is one word available and to make it plural, badasses is another.

The rules are simple: Select as many cars (factory bone stock) in each class as you have available class letters in the word. You'll only have one B class car, one D class car, and one E class car, though you have two A class cars and three S class choices.

Spot (I'll have to wait until I return home to partake)

B - '10 Maserati Gran Turismo S
A - '65 Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe
D - '97 Volvo 850 R
A - '05 Honda NSX-R
S - '09 Corvette ZR-1
S - '05 Mercedes-Benz SLR
E - '94 Mazda MX-5 Miata
S - '12 Porsche 911 GT2 RS

I'm going to make an attempt to be my usual impartial-self.

I'll throw mine up in a bit...gotta finish nommin my mini tacos (healthy supper), then i'll have to check out my garage and see what I've got


Edit: Heres my list!

B- 2012 Dodge Charger SRT8 (Took all my will power not to pick the 250 GTO)
A- Morgan Aero SuperSports
D- Renault 5 Turbo
A- Holden HSV w427
S- SRT Viper GTS
S- Ruf CTR Yellowbird
E- 131 Abarth
S- Mercedes-Benz SLR Sterling Moss

B - 2012 Dodge Challenger SRT-8 392
A - 2007 Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione
D - 1969 Dodge Charger R/T
A - 1999 Dodge Viper GTS ACR (Almost chose the Shelby Cobra, but this is essentially a newer Cobra, so...)
S - 2013 (Dodge) Viper GTS
S - 2008 Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR
E - 2012 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
S - 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia

Yes, those are all Mopars...

Simcik wrote:B - 2012 Dodge Challenger SRT-8 392
A - 2007 Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione
D - 1969 Dodge Charger R/T
A - 1999 Dodge Viper GTS ACR (Almost chose the Shelby Cobra, but this is essentially a newer Cobra, so...)
S - 2013 (Dodge) Viper GTS
S - 2008 Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR
E - 2012 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
S - 2010 Ferrari 458 Italia

Yes, those are all Fiats...

Fixt it fer ya...

Lol Smus technically you both are correct since FIAT is using Mopar for the euro divisions now

Okay Sim, I know you have a love for Mopar. What would be your "B" lineup? Your "B" lineup where you don't play your starters and let's limit you to two Chrysler/Mopar/Fiat corp. cars in this "B" list.

I know Squid has a secret admiration for the NSX, I'm curious if he'll insert one in his list.

Geoff YOU LIAR... BLASPHEMY.... I WOULD NEVER LIKE A NON MOPAR..... shhhhhhhh youre letting my dark secret out... well great now everyone knows... Fact is though I only care for the original 1992 body style.

So this was a bitch to figure out and narrow down(hence the back ups. S was the flat out worst.... dozen cars that I love and only 4 spots on the roster....
Starting Lineup---------------------------------- Off The Bench

B - '12 Dodge Challenger SRT-8 392.................... '91 Ferrari 512 TR, '92 NSX-R, '96 Vette GS
A - '67 Ferrari 330 P4.......................................... '97 Lambo Diablo SV
D - '67 Chevelle SS-396...................................... '68 Barracuda S, '69 Charger
A - '99 Dodge Viper GTS ACR............................... '95 Ferrari F355 Challenge
S - '09 Lotus Evora Type 124 Enduro.....................'87 Ferrari F40
S - '08 Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR
E - '54 Mercedes 300SL Gullwing.......................... '56 Lotus Eleven, '57 Chevy, '12 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
S - '93 McLaren F1

Left off the S list was Enzo, 599 GTO, Koenigsegg CC8S, '12 911 GT2 RS, '10 Nissan GT-R, '87 RUF Yellowbird, '99 Zonda C12, '09 Vette ZR1, Ascari KZ1, '87 Porsche 959, '10 Ferrari 458, '95 Ferrari F50, '11 Merc SLS AMG, Jag XJ220 and saddest of all the New SRT Viper GTS. Damn thats a tough call.

BONUS
F - '55 Porsche 550 Spyder ................................'06 Hummer H1 Alpha
C - '58 Aston DBR1............................................'02 Camaro SS, '09 Jeep Cherokee SRT8, '67 Vette 427
R3(street) '12 Hennessey Venom GT...................'98 TVR Cerbera Speed 12, '98 AMG Mercedes CLK-GTR, '10 Lambo Murcielago LP 670-4 SV

R3 Race '71 #2 Ferrari 312 P.............................'05 Ferrari FXX, '11 Lambo #08 Gallardo GT2, '08 #11 Viper GT2
R2 - '10 Pagani Zonda R...............................'98 Porsche 911 GT1, '89 Ferrari F40 Competizione, '00 Oreca Viper
R1'11 Audi R18 TDI.........................................'91 Mazda 787B, '98 Ferrari F333 SP, '11 Suzuki Pikes Peak SX4

Avanti 63r1025 wrote:Okay Sim, I know you have a love for Mopar. What would be your "B" lineup? Your "B" lineup where you don't play your starters and let's limit you to two Chrysler/Mopar/Fiat corp. cars in this "B" list.

I know Squid has a secret admiration for the NSX, I'm curious if he'll insert one in his list.

So I can only have two cars on my list?

I'd like to see what your list of cars would be if a minimal number of Chrysler products fit that list.

You like the Pentastar, I get that. How about the Tristar (Benz), the Trident (Maserati), a bull (Lambo.), the white & blue propeller (BMW), Hell even a bowtie (Chev.) or the Zoroastrian God of light (Mazda)? I'm not asking you to cross over to the dark side and buy one Take Lancia for example. I doubt I'd ever buy one as their reputation for reliability preceeds them though I feel they're still pretty cool cars.

Avanti 63r1025 wrote:I'd like to see what your list of cars would be if a minimal number of Chrysler products fit that list.

You like the Pentastar, I get that. How about the Tristar (Benz), the Trident (Maserati), a bull (Lambo.), the white & blue propeller (BMW), Hell even a bowtie (Chev.) or the Zoroastrian God of light (Mazda)? I'm not asking you to cross over to the dark side and buy one Take Lancia for example. I doubt I'd ever buy one as their reputation for reliability preceeds them though I feel they're still pretty cool cars.

Screw Mercedes. Those German bastards set my company back 10 years...

Besides, their cars are far too complex, and offer very few real advantages. Case and point the TIPM (Totally Integrated Power Module) on my Ram: It is a Mercedes idea. It replaces the traditional fuse box and relays with a complicated circuit board that monitors the amperage and voltage in all the vehicles circuits (like headlights and such) and acts as a relay/fuse/circuit breaker in the event of a failure. The bad thing is, if there is a surge, the TIPM usually cannot act fast enough to save itself from being fried, and when one circuit dies, the whole unit must be replaced. It's like $800 for the dealer to install it, which they have to do, because even if the unit is replaced, the dealer-accessed-only code on the PCM must be cleared.

Now, on the first version of the TIPM, used after 2003, the vehicles at least turned a light on to tell you that a circuit (like a headlight or brakelight had a malfunction [a bad bulb]), but the new ones do not, so really, what the hell is the point anymore? Bring back the relays!!! Tux should know what I mean. The ignorant dealer I used to work for replaced mine twice, and when it gave me trouble a third time for the same issue, they finally started looking else where and found a loose connector in a headlight socket that was causing the circuit to short and fry the TIPM...

Maserati is owned by Fiat, errgo it too is a Mopar. But I do love the Gran Turismo, especially the Cabrio...

Lambo has never done much for me. They are alright, but I was always a Ferrari fan...

BMW makes good cars, but they are so bland on the inside anymore, they are losing lots of their appeal. The M models are wonders of engineering, and I appreciate them for that, but they don't stand out to me. Beside, most BMW owners are douche bags...

I actually always like the 2nd-Gen Miata, and the 3rd is alright. I'd actually love to make a Monster Miata with a 5.7L Hemi. It will fit, as it is actually slightly smaller than an LS motor. If I did so, I would tweak it to look more like a baby Viper...

Porsches never did anything for me either...

I do actually like the Firebird. Well, some years. I like the last version, and the one from Smokey and the Bandit... Not really a fan of Camaros...

The Buick Regal GS (FWD only version of the Vauxhall Insignia in Forza) is pretty damn nice...

The '67 Chevelle SS is good looking, so is the '65/'66 GTO.

The Shelby Cobra is alright because of what it is, but I don't really want one...

The Pagani Zonda is gorgeous, inside and out!

I always liked the Stealth, so obviously the 3000GT is a favorite too, especially the VR4 Spyder.

The NEW Ford GT is pretty cool, but then again it's 3/4 Viper, so...

The Subaru is Impreza WRX STI is fun to drive, and so is the Mitsubishi EVO...

I like the ideas behind cars like the Noble M600, and the Venom, but not really sure I'd like to own them...

Aston Martins are sexy. If it bought a British car, it would be an Aston.

Lancia is owned by Fiat, so again, it's a Mopar, but the Stratos looks killer...

If I went German, I'd probably go Audi. The RS 4 and RS 5 are nice. Not really a TT fan, and the R8 looks funny to me...

Yep, I just went through all the cars on Forza (granted, a little fast) and that is all I would consider...

I bleed Hemi Orange, man, whadaya expect???

Simcik wrote:

The NEW Ford GT is pretty cool, but then again it's 3/4 Viper, so...

Pure curiosity this statement. How?

StalkerStang wrote:

Simcik wrote:

The NEW Ford GT is pretty cool, but then again it's 3/4 Viper, so...

Pure curiosity this statement. How?

"...and I left for Ford the same day, March 1st, 1999. Of course the mid-engine Viper became the Ford GT and it all worked out in the end."

http://www.allpar.com/history/interviews/chris-theodore/fall-and-rise.html

The Ford GT was originally supposed to the Next Gen Viper. The car was going to swap to Mid-Engine in 2003...

I read where much of his ideas that he learned while at Chrysler were then applied to making the Ford GT..... Don't really see how its mostly Viper, did they ever make a concept mid-engine Viper?

Not that it matters, I guess its a Mopar stab at Ford guys.... Just like me saying the GM LS motor is just the evolution of a small block Ford is a stab at the GM guys......

All in all, they all rape eachother for ideas and "new" products.....

Yea Geoff stay out of Sims Box!!!!....eerrrrrrrrrrr Garage.... You did say to build a garage with cars we liked. Non Mopars arent Sims thing so it would defeat the purpose to choose them kinda like girls arent Stalkers thing so he doesnt bother them.

StalkerStang wrote:I read where much of his ideas that he learned while at Chrysler were then applied to making the Ford GT..... Don't really see how its mostly Viper, did they ever make a concept mid-engine Viper?

Not that it matters, I guess its a Mopar stab at Ford guys.... Just like me saying the GM LS motor is just the evolution of a small block Ford is a stab at the GM guys......

All in all, they all rape eachother for ideas and "new" products.....

Pretty sure the quote said "the mid-engined Viper became the Ford GT..."

Well if were throwing jabs...

The Viper engine is originally a Lambo unit...

The Corvette design has been copied or inspired from Ferrari,

Yes, kinda... Chrysler owned Lambo during the development of the Viper. One of the Lambo engine designers helped test and tweak the design that became the aluminum block version of the 8.0L.

However, it is a Mopar engine, as it is essentially a 5.9L with 2 more cylinders...

Simcik wrote:

StalkerStang wrote:I read where much of his ideas that he learned while at Chrysler were then applied to making the Ford GT..... Don't really see how its mostly Viper, did they ever make a concept mid-engine Viper?

Not that it matters, I guess its a Mopar stab at Ford guys.... Just like me saying the GM LS motor is just the evolution of a small block Ford is a stab at the GM guys......

All in all, they all rape eachother for ideas and "new" products.....

Pretty sure the quote said "the mid-engined Viper became the Ford GT..."

Right, but its vague. The idea of a mid-engine Viper could be what he is saying. Its not like Chrysler built 3/4's of a mid-engine Viper, and then shipped it to Saleen to finish off what then became a Ford GT. I was more curious to see if there was literally a part of the Ford GT that comes from a Chrysler design and/or build. The only thing he says other than what you quoted...

"...there wouldn’t have been a Ford GT if there hadn’t been a Prowler because a lot of things we learned from the aluminum and Prowler, what to do and what not to do, really transferred over."

To me that says from what they learned at Chrysler, they applied to the GT.

Finished my listing. I could've named nothing but American muscle cars, pony cars, and sports cars. I diversified my portfolio though which was difficult because there are a good number of other cars in the game I find fascinating, capable, and cool.

Simcik wrote:…Yes, those are all Mopars...

Smus wrote:

Simcik wrote:…Yes, those are all Fiats...

Fixt it fer ya...

Here's a reply of mine from forzamotorsport.net under the subject "Best English automaker (Aston Martin, Lotus, Jaguar, Bentley, Morgan)". This is how I feel about acquisitions:

G 70CHEVELLE SS wrote:i do like British cars, but what of all of these iconic classic brands are still British owned?

That's a great question though I don't view it as relevant. I also consider brands like Lexus, Infinity, and Acura to be Japanese. Why? Because their parent founded companies are Japanese. Brands like Jaguar, Aston Martin, TVR, et al. were founded in Britain and that's all that matters in my book. I don't care that Tata motors has a stake in Jaguar now, because Jaguar was founded in Britain.

Too many car companies are gone (some more recent than others): Mercury, American Motors, Saab, Pontiac, Studebaker, Duesenberg, Tucker, and the list goes on … that I look at a car company's start, rather than their current or end. Recently we've been given Fisker and Tesla. Where will those companies be in 5, 85, 190 years? I don't really care. I care about their start, where they dug-in and called home.

Ex US Squid wrote:So this was a bitch to figure out and narrow down(hence the back ups. S was the flat out worst.... dozen cars that I love and only 4 spots on the roster....
Starting Lineup---------------------------------- Off The Bench

B - '12 Dodge Challenger SRT-8 392.................... '91 Ferrari 512 TR, '92 NSX-R, '96 Vette GS
A - '67 Ferrari 330 P4.......................................... '97 Lambo Diablo SV
D - '67 Chevelle SS-396...................................... '68 Barracuda S, '69 Charger
A - '99 Dodge Viper GTS ACR............................... '95 Ferrari F355 Challenge
S - '09 Lotus Evora Type 124 Enduro.....................'87 Ferrari F40
S - '08 Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR
E - '54 Mercedes 300SL Gullwing.......................... '56 Lotus Eleven, '57 Chevy, '12 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon
S - '93 McLaren F1

Left off the S list was Enzo, 599 GTO, Koenigsegg CC8S, '12 911 GT2 RS, '10 Nissan GT-R, '87 RUF Yellowbird, '99 Zonda C12, '09 Vette ZR1, Ascari KZ1, '87 Porsche 959, '10 Ferrari 458, '95 Ferrari F50, '11 Merc SLS AMG, Jag XJ220 and saddest of all the New SRT Viper GTS. Damn thats a tough call.

BONUS
F - '55 Porsche 550 Spyder ................................'06 Hummer H1 Alpha
C - '58 Aston DBR1............................................'02 Camaro SS, '09 Jeep Cherokee SRT8, '67 Vette 427
R3(street) '12 Hennessey Venom GT...................'98 TVR Cerbera Speed 12, '98 AMG Mercedes CLK-GTR, '10 Lambo Murcielago LP 670-4 SV

R3 Race '71 #2 Ferrari 312 P.............................'05 Ferrari FXX, '11 Lambo #08 Gallardo GT2, '08 #11 Viper GT2
R2 - '10 Pagani Zonda R...............................'98 Porsche 911 GT1, '89 Ferrari F40 Competizione, '00 Oreca Viper
R1'11 Audi R18 TDI.........................................'91 Mazda 787B, '98 Ferrari F333 SP, '11 Suzuki Pikes Peak SX4

Updates
So I think I have to nix the A class '67 Ferrari P4 for the NEW ZL1 Chevy Camaro cause the ZL1 is freakin badass! Also I want to nix the R1 '11 Suzuki Pikes Peak SX4 for the -not so new-1989 Mercedes-Benz #63 Team Sauber-Mercedes C9.
OK kids, non factor out!

The Ford GT also had roots connected to their Jan. '95 prototype GT90 [which consisted of XJ220 components because Ford had Jag.] Ford GT designer would love another crack at the GT90 -Jalopnik. There are lots of sources (spiritual and physical) crammed into the 2004 - 2006 Ford GT.

United Sports Car Racing starts next year / the ALMS GT2 class was left alone / Corvette and Viper represent the U.S. / Robertson Racing can no longer compete / I'd like Ford to come out with something and join that fray in 2015-ish.

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Oh yes, and with the reworking of the PI structure in Forza 5, expect a "B A D A S S E S" series there. It'll feature eight cars of your choosing at eight different tracks. More details to come after Forza 5 releases.

Avanti 63r1025 wrote:The Ford GT also had roots connected to their Jan. '95 prototype GT90 I'd like Ford to come out with something and join that fray in 2015-ish.

That is like asking the fat kid to get off the couch lol