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Post  Ex US Squid on Fri May 31, 2013 5:17 pm

I can understand anyones feelings of apprehension for the "One" but NONE of you have any idea of what it will play like or be able to do "games" wise. You saw a hardware debut that stated all games info will be released at E3. I say "you" and mean to group the entire countries reaction to the unveil. All you are doing is assuming the One will be garbage or simply a console that you wont like. Consider this: The Xbox 360 plays apps, movies, tv, internet, youtube, and music as well and we all seem to accept that without feeling that its hampering the 360's ability to play games. Its a bit of a hipster attitude to dismiss the One on the fact that it will be much more aligned to be an entertainment hub as well as play games simply because now its not "just a gaming console" as if it cant do all these things exceptionally well. Certainly I think its fair to say we all need to wait and see E3 and into the Summer some "hands on" information before making any impatient decisions. Now also I suppose that not everyone is going to stay as interested in videogames as I do year in and out so I suppose I should accept that maybe you dont have the passion for it quite as much Rem. I just freakin like all you guys and selfishly assume that A) everyone will continue to be available one or more nights a weeks and, B) we all will get the One and FM5 so Avanti can run American Iron version FM.5 with myself and Sim(who will upgrade to internet that isnt transferred by carrier pigeons) will race small block mopars such as a 340+6 T/A or AAR and 69 Dart 340 GTS Swinger. But like Sim says, quit stabbing my balloon with your needle.

I truly feel there is alot of really awesome tech and with it, possibilities for great gameplay innovations. Im very excited to see how the dynamic triggers will work. Will it just rumble or, as some have theorized, will we get a bit of force feedback in the triggers as well. How cool will it be to feel the gamepad vibrate dynamically stronger on one side more than the other and from front to back as you drive over rumble strips. Or if you get a lil TuxTshirt from behind under braking that your trigger pushes back due to the extra force. This console is a really big leap in horsepower and with the addition to the bluray has me thinking this FM will be the largest leap forward from a technical standpoint. Microsoft has reportedly pledged a billion bucks toward ensuring the Microsoft exclusives will be the best and lure key devs and personnel away from Sony and Nintendo. Thats a shit ton of capitol. That also comes with a Sims Box's mass of pressure to make something not just good like FM4 but amazing! I bet Turn 10 has a studio closer to the 343 level this time around or considering all the aforementioned info I would assume that. Needless to say, Microsoft is going all in across the board this time. Games, TV, Movies, and Apps will be positioned to succeed I feel and as a consumer who likes just part of those segments or all of them, Micro wants you to like the segment you prefer and offer you the ability to tinker and explore the others to see if you want it or not. If you dont like it then no worries cause it still plays games just like the previous two consoles. Just better. But I also understand that its just my opinion.

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Re: Next Gen Xbox

Post  Remaggib on Fri May 31, 2013 7:23 pm

Ex US Squid wrote:Consider this: The Xbox 360 plays apps, movies, tv, internet, youtube, and music as well and we all seem to accept that without feeling that its hampering the 360's ability to play games. Its a bit of a hipster attitude to dismiss the One on the fact that it will be much more aligned to be an entertainment hub as well as play games simply because now its not "just a gaming console" as if it cant do all these things exceptionally well.



The thing is, for me, I already have a computer for internet, a tv for tv, a computer with internet for YouTube, a Blu-Ray player for Blu-Rays and DVDs, and a 360 for 360 games. I realize the 360 does all this stuff, and no matter what I say or do I can't get away from it. Does it slow down my console? Seems to. But since I have no choice but to keep all that stuff installed, I can't find out for sure. Microsoft has to do what they have to do to make money. That's fine. I know I'm a tiny spec of nothing to them and honestly, my opinion doesn't matter because it's one of, at best, the minority. It's the same thing as voting, but I won't get into my political views here. Will I buy the "One"? Not immediately. Not for a while. Probably not never, but the price will have to drop considerably.

I don't like the idea that I can't rent games before buying them. Well, before paying too much for them. I've rented plenty of games and hated every ounce of myself for paying $2.00 or whatever to even rent them. To pay $10, $15, whatever on top of the rental price, I can't justify that. Again, they have to make money, and this is probably one way they will do it, but I can't take part of it. For me, it's largely a "principal of the thing" thing. When I travel, I drive. If I can't get there by car or boat, it's not important enough to go there. Why don't I fly? I don't feel I should be treated like a terrorist. I can't get on a plane without "random additional screening", so some dude has to molest me to make sure I'm not smuggling bomb makings in my anus? And I'm not a porn star, nor am I getting paid anything, so why should anyone see me naked with those new scanners? I don't like the way I'm treated, so I drive. Again, principal of the thing.

I don't want to shit on anyone's parade, and I try not to. If you're excited about the "One" that's fine, I'm just not. Can E3 change my mind? Possibly. Actual gameplay will be the biggest factor in that though. When it releases and F5 is out, I will see if a friend of mine has them, and I'll try to visit him and play for a while. I know that price is going to be a huge factor though, even if I love it. There's price which is hard enough to overcome, and then there's my wife and what she thinks costs too much, which is even harder to overcome. Example, I've spent $100 to borrow Avanti's GoPro twice. I could get half a GoPro for that. But she won't let me spend the money. Honestly though, if it weren't for her I'd be even more broke and would never be able to afford to even think about looking at a house. And house hunting is currently in progress, so eek. Rambling over now, hope this isn't TOO wordy.
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Re: Next Gen Xbox

Post  TuxTshirt on Fri May 31, 2013 9:42 pm

Remaggib wrote:
Ex US Squid wrote:Consider this: The Xbox 360 plays apps, movies, tv, internet, youtube, and music as well and we all seem to accept that without feeling that its hampering the 360's ability to play games. Its a bit of a hipster attitude to dismiss the One on the fact that it will be much more aligned to be an entertainment hub as well as play games simply because now its not "just a gaming console" as if it cant do all these things exceptionally well.



The thing is, for me, I already have a computer for internet, a tv for tv, a computer with internet for YouTube, a Blu-Ray player for Blu-Rays and DVDs, and a 360 for 360 games. I realize the 360 does all this stuff, and no matter what I say or do I can't get away from it. Does it slow down my console? Seems to. But since I have no choice but to keep all that stuff installed, I can't find out for sure. Microsoft has to do what they have to do to make money. That's fine. I know I'm a tiny spec of nothing to them and honestly, my opinion doesn't matter because it's one of, at best, the minority. It's the same thing as voting, but I won't get into my political views here. Will I buy the "One"? Not immediately. Not for a while. Probably not never, but the price will have to drop considerably.

I don't like the idea that I can't rent games before buying them. Well, before paying too much for them. I've rented plenty of games and hated every ounce of myself for paying $2.00 or whatever to even rent them. To pay $10, $15, whatever on top of the rental price, I can't justify that. Again, they have to make money, and this is probably one way they will do it, but I can't take part of it. For me, it's largely a "principal of the thing" thing. When I travel, I drive. If I can't get there by car or boat, it's not important enough to go there. Why don't I fly? I don't feel I should be treated like a terrorist. I can't get on a plane without "random additional screening", so some dude has to molest me to make sure I'm not smuggling bomb makings in my anus? And I'm not a porn star, nor am I getting paid anything, so why should anyone see me naked with those new scanners? I don't like the way I'm treated, so I drive. Again, principal of the thing.

I don't want to shit on anyone's parade, and I try not to. If you're excited about the "One" that's fine, I'm just not. Can E3 change my mind? Possibly. Actual gameplay will be the biggest factor in that though. When it releases and F5 is out, I will see if a friend of mine has them, and I'll try to visit him and play for a while. I know that price is going to be a huge factor though, even if I love it. There's price which is hard enough to overcome, and then there's my wife and what she thinks costs too much, which is even harder to overcome. Example, I've spent $100 to borrow Avanti's GoPro twice. I could get half a GoPro for that. But she won't let me spend the money. Honestly though, if it weren't for her I'd be even more broke and would never be able to afford to even think about looking at a house. And house hunting is currently in progress, so eek. Rambling over now, hope this isn't TOO wordy.

Well, you're a tiny spec of EVERYTHING to me.

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Re: Next Gen Xbox

Post  Remaggib on Fri May 31, 2013 11:42 pm

Probably more the who I think. Rather than me buy a plane ticket spending my own money, they should be paying me to molest a body as perfect as mine Rolling Eyes lol!
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Re: Next Gen Xbox

Post  Smus on Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:54 am

Squid, I have to agree 100% with your sentiments. For me, I've got a PS3 for bluray's...so it's nice I can trade that in and my original xbox (keeping my slim) and actually elminate someting off of my tv area



Ok, so here is what I've compiled from different sources all about the X1


From "Yahoo" (although I've seen it sourced other places)


Don't feel like shelling out $500? The Xbox 360 is getting a sleek new redesign and hundreds of new games. Xbox Live Gold members get the added bonus of two free games (starting with Assassin's Creed 2 and Halo 3) every month from July until the Xbox One is released in November.

No need to wait in line at Best Buy. You can pre-order the Xbox One right now and get a special controller that says "Day One," letting people know you are a person with both disposable income and very little patience.


A clarified and regularized explanation of important stuff for Xbox One

Discs will be used to install games, but not play them
Any games you buy are linked to your account
You can sign into any Xbox One and play your own games
Any games on your device can be played by anyone signed into that Xbox
Up to 10 people can be logged into your library from different locations and play your games
You can lend a game to a friend who has been on your 'Friends List' for 30 days
You can only lend a game to a friend once
You can play games from two locations at the same time
Publishers decide if games can be re-sold, and Microsoft will not take a cut of resold games
Xbox One will always be on, in stand-by, and plugged into a broadband connection
Consoles will have to check-in online every 24 hours
If you're playing your games on another console, you'll have to check-in every hour
You can take your device offline from Xbox Live and still watch Blu-Rays, TV and DVDs
Kinect won't record conversations or send data back to Xbox HQ "without your explicit permission



Aaaaaaand now for some BADASS GAMES!!!!









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Re: Next Gen Xbox

Post  Ex US Squid on Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:55 pm

Yea Smus I am thinking of keeping the PS3 just to try out GT6 and see if they fixed it... I have loved that series from GT1's launch and who knows how many thousands of GT hours I have compiled... Never missed one and if GT6 lets me down then maybe its time for me to move on to other car games, NAMELY Forza. Alot of the issues many have with the new Xbox One, Connection/used games, and the like dont apply to me so much. I prefer a new game if I can get it over used or I just GameFly it if Im not that into it. How will all this affect GameFly I wonder??? I have a feeling there will be special rules for games through GameFly or services like them. I havent played Xbox without internet inn 5 years so and havent gone more than a few hours without it if there is a storm or accident that kills cable connection. But I felt it was a bad move that the every 24 keeps folks like Military from using the xbox overseas where in places like Afghan you may have down time but no internet access.

HUGE BLOW is that Sony says they wont enforce any used game rules or Always On checks. Im curious if Sony can stay true to that or is it special wording that states its up to Devs/Publishers to enforce that or if not and there is no used game rules then how long till Micro says F it and does the same. Microsoft is testing the waters alot and I feel that some things will fail and as a result Microsoft will change things to reflect this. Im freakin jacked for about 8-10 games already! And its all SO PRETTY!!!

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Post  Ex US Squid on Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:20 pm

So the Games For Gold program lets you download a free game if you are a Xbox Live Gold member and the first game is up already. So if you have any desire to play Fable 3 then you can download it now. I am currently but it will take a bit cause its 5.61 gigs. Lil on the portly side and will take a bit.

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Post  Smus on Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:45 am

I'm wondering if it won't work by streaming the games directly to the console.  Everything is cloud based so I would think that it would be possible.

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Re: Next Gen Xbox

Post  Sorta05 on Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:57 pm

http://www.airforcetimes.com/article/20130614/OFFDUTY02/306140030/New-Xbox-sin-against-all-service-members


I'm out.  I can't remember the last time I played my ps3 or xbox so why put up with all this BS.  Maybe GT6 will have realistic engine sounds this time lol.
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Post  Ex US Squid on Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:45 pm

You wont like GT6 sorta... its just a polished GT5 and so far it has the same sound as GT5 from the hands on E3 demos.  But if you dont like it then hope you enjoy the other consoles.  I am not going to miss out on the Xone.

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Post  Sorta05 on Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:50 pm

Well guess I'll just have to stick with iracing for the time being.  Who knows maybe I'll bite the bullet.  I'm gonna be living on a shoe string budget for the next 2 years though so I doubt it.
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Re: Next Gen Xbox

Post  Remaggib on Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:48 am






I'm just hoping that by the time I decide to get it (which I more likely than not will, because I enjoy racing you folks) it gets real cheap inexpensive.
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Re: Next Gen Xbox

Post  Sorta05 on Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:30 pm

lol that awesome Rem!
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This changes EVERYTHING!

Post  Smus on Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:35 pm

[ltr]Microsoft Is Removing Xbox One DRM[/ltr]


[ltr]This could be the biggest backtrack in gaming history: Microsoft will reverse course on their DRM policies for Xbox One, dropping their 24-hour Internet check-in requirement and all restrictions on used games.
Here's Microsoft president of interactive entertainment Don Mattrick with the news:
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Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience.
For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future.
Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.
You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.
So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:
An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.
Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.
In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console — there will be no regional restrictions.
These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.
We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.
Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.

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This comes after heavy criticism following an E3 in which Sony bragged about their own policies for the PS4, which Sony says will not restrict used games or require an Internet connection.

Since they revealed the Xbox One in May, Microsoft has faced non-stop criticism for announced policies that could drastically change the way we play games in the future. The Xbox One, they said, would require players to connect to the Internet once every 24 hours in order to keep the box playing games. You would have to activate each game by registering it on the web before playing. The console would also restrict the way that game discs are traded, borrowed, and shared, limiting the number of people who could own and play each game, and restricting trade-ins on a publisher-by-publisher basis.

Microsoft has justified these policies by saying that these moves are consistent with a shift to digital seen on Steam, iTunes and other digital platforms. However, in an interview with Kotakulast week, Microsoft's Phil Spencer admitted that the 24-hour Internet requirement was not a "selling point" for the Xbox One. He also said they had no plans for game-lending just yet.

By reversing on those policies, Microsoft calls a lot of things into question: what will become of the Xbox One's family sharing plan? Will publishers find other ways to block used games? And what of all the rhetoric of how "the bits"—the data on each game disc, rather than the discs themselves—are the future?
This news was first reported by GiantBomb.
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Post  Avanti 63r1025 on Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:12 pm


"… could be the biggest backtrack in gaming history" That's an understatement. So guys deployed on nuclear subs can play. We can buy used games and play them on our console. GameFly won't have to jump through special hoops to loan out Xbox One games. This is awesome.

So now I ask again, WHO'S IN!?
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Post  Simcik on Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:13 am

Kinda bummed about the loss of game sharing. There are lots of games I would like to try out before I spend $50 (or more) on.

That being said, Gamefly isn't worth it to me. I'm talking like 2-3 games per year that I'm curious about, so Gamefly would be just as expensive as buy the game for me, and atleast I could sell the game if I hated it...

Anyway, yeah, kinda bummed about that.

And why can't they make it so that disc-based games can be cracked and played sans-disc? For God's sake, PC games have done this for years, so I know it's capable. Now, I bet they want to make sure the disc is there so that each user needs a difference disc, well, I would think that would be easy to do... Make it so that each disc has a serial number, and require a internet connection to install games onto the HDD. Basically, you would register the serial number to your console. If it's registered already, it couldn't be installed anywhere else.

IDK, I can see some issues with that, but damn - come on! Hasn't it already beed determined that copyrights and such are only good for the first sale??? I mean, c'mon, we don't pay Chrysler or Ford to lend our cars to our friends or to sell them to someone else. Same thing with a damn game... I blame iTunes for this. I think thier "locked" files gave the media industry a bad, bad precedent...

Okay, morning rant over...
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Re: Next Gen Xbox

Post  OLDFenderBender on Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:36 am

ummmmm..... Don't know what you read, but basically this is a Xbox 360 v2.0.  You can share games... http://kotaku.com/microsoft-is-removing-xbox-one-drm-514390310 
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Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.

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Post  Simcik on Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:06 am

They just announced that they did away with the "family share" stuff, where one person can buy the game and up to 10 others can play it. (Without a disc, anywhere in the country, etc.)

Yeah, you can still borrow your buddies disc and pop it in, but it's not the same. If one of you were talking about a game, I could try out your version without you having to send me your disc. Now I'm limited to what's local. I guess I feel that the issues people had were pretty limited to the always-on internet connection requirements and lack of off-line play - not sure why MS got all upset and decided they were gonna take there ball and go home... It seems like they just said, well, f-it! You don't like always-on? Fine, you can keep your discs too!
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Post  OLDFenderBender on Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:17 pm

I never took advantage of the Family features so that doesn't effect me in the least, with their current take-backs of the DRM had little effect of what I did on a daily basis to begin with. The current bit with the retaliation with the masses against Microshaft doesn't surprise me in the least since things similar to this have been going on for years that haven't made the big news.

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Post  Smus on Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:44 pm

The sharing of the console and the like was all available with the previous setup so it hadn't been introduced yet.  I'll agree I really had no problems with the DRM or 24 hour check in anyways so losing that does suck...I mean I've lent games before but the last time I did that I was going through puberty, so that's one thing that never bothered me.

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Post  Sorta05 on Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:10 pm

I don't understand why they can't do both.  If you have the disc in the console no internet connection required.  If you don't have the disc but it was installed via internet or via disc then you have to check in with the game online.  To keep people from doing multiple installs add a seriel number like PC games have.  Now you can do the family sharing thing too if you want.  

And even though the family share thing may be dead you can still try out most major titles with demo's that are downloadable.
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Post  Simcik on Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:41 pm

EXACTLY!!!
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Post  Sorta05 on Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:02 pm

Oh, and this 180 (maybe what they should have called it if they released it as described) has nothing to do with microcrap listening to the consumers.  It has everything to do with them being scared sh!#less that the "one" was going to flop miserable.
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Post  Avanti 63r1025 on Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:21 pm

I wonder a few things:

  • ¿How much of this U-turn was because Sony wasn't as ¡gung-ho! as Microsoft was on digital rights?
  • ¿How much of the Internet infrastructure wouldn't have supported DRM features? And,
  • ¿Could we see DRM return to the Xbox One at a later time?
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Post  Simcik on Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:05 pm

Someone found the Spanish characters.
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